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and get up and go to the post office anymore. [ male announcer ] with stamps.com you can print real u.s. postage for all your letters and packages. i have exactly the amount of postage i need, the instant i need it. can you print only stamps? no... first class. priority mail. certified. international. and the mail man picks it up. i don't leave the shop anymore. [ male announcer ] get a 4 week trial plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. >>> so what looked like one of the few areas of compromise after the november election was the topic of immigration, but the debate took a bit of a weird turn over the weekend after a backup proposal that the white house has been drafting for a while was leaked to usa today. joining me is robert gibbs and cnbc contributor and former bush white house director, sarah fagen. a little strategy on this ex-president's day. >> there you go. >> ex-presidential staff day. do we have one of those as a holiday? >> don't i wish. >> robert, let me ask you this on the immigration. there's
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a nine-day vacation and they haven't put forward a plan to end sequestration in seven weeks. >> the u.s. senate also went on a vacation. let's not get carried away. jackie, i'm a cynic. i think the cuts are going to go through on march 1st and then they're all going to panic. >> i don't disagree with you. here's the thing about this particular congress and the last congress is they do wait until the very last minute and all of us are saying, okay, they have to do it in 72 hours or this happens or this can't happen. i don't know that that's going to happen this time because there doesn't seem there's enough buy-in on both sides to get this done. but we're going to see this reflect in the markets and see this reflect in the economy if this does happen, and then you're going to have more finger-pointing. >> mark, your fix-a-debt, are they going to come down hard on congress, even if it's the republicans, if they believe the republicans are walking away from a deal? >> we should be pushing both sides for a deal because it's going to take both sides to get the deal done. but when tom friedma
a nine-day vacation and they haven't put forward a plan to end sequestration in seven weeks. >> the u.s. senate also went on a vacation. let's not get carried away. jackie, i'm a cynic. i think the cuts are going to go through on march 1st and then they're all going to panic. >> i don't disagree with you. here's the thing about this particular congress and the last congress is they do wait until the very last minute and all of us are saying, okay, they have to do it in 72 hours or...
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angeles police department, the irvine police department, riverside police department, the fbi, the u.s. marshalls service and other allied law enforcement agencies throughout southern california and throughout the region. >> reporter: day five, sunday, dorner remained on the loose. >> everyday that dorner is loose, the likelihood of an attack on either a uniformed police officer or a family of a police officer is likely. >> reporter: southern california remained gripped by fear and unse uncertainty. a home improvement store was evacuated in l.a. after the mere mention of a dorner sighting. the los angeles police were founding themselves spread too thin between the ongoing manhunt and extra security at the grammy awards. they announced that low priority radio calls might go unanswered. >> it was a tremendous strain on our resources. remember, we had to protect the 50 people that were targeted, protect their families as well. we were on a tactical alert for virtually most of that time. but i said to the chief, and we both agreed, don't spare any expense. >> the mayor turned to the citize
angeles police department, the irvine police department, riverside police department, the fbi, the u.s. marshalls service and other allied law enforcement agencies throughout southern california and throughout the region. >> reporter: day five, sunday, dorner remained on the loose. >> everyday that dorner is loose, the likelihood of an attack on either a uniformed police officer or a family of a police officer is likely. >> reporter: southern california remained gripped by...
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. >> our skies are >> friday is the last day for the u.s. secret service director mark sullivan. he is finishing his long career as head of the agency. since last year it was tarnished by the scandal of secret service agents hiring prostitutes. >> george zimmerman's wife is in prison, four are charged with perjury after allegedly lying when she testified about her husband's finances. >> on wednesday, the former new orleans mayor nagin is said to be arraigned. the indictment accuses him of bribes. the money allegedly came along with a family business and trips to hawaii, jamaica, and other destinations. many parts of the northeast are feeling the effects of super storm sandy. how one town has started a long process of getting on its feet. >> how long this cold snap will [ male announcer ] we began with the rx. ♪ ♪ then we turned the page creating the rx hybrid. ♪ ♪ now we've turned the page again with the rx f sport. ♪ ♪ this is the next chapter for the rx and the next chapter for lexus. this is the purit of perfecection. whether you're a ham & cheese at noon a turkey-
. >> our skies are >> friday is the last day for the u.s. secret service director mark sullivan. he is finishing his long career as head of the agency. since last year it was tarnished by the scandal of secret service agents hiring prostitutes. >> george zimmerman's wife is in prison, four are charged with perjury after allegedly lying when she testified about her husband's finances. >> on wednesday, the former new orleans mayor nagin is said to be arraigned. the...
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the number of u.s. homes entering the folk process in january fell to a level not seen since the peak of the housing boom. down 11% from december but all is not well, says housing barren sam zell. >> everybody kind of has ignored the fact that there's still 3 to 4 million houses in purgatory. not for sale. not foreclosed. maybe occupied, maybe not occupied. and you've got to address that. >> if you're looking for somebody who has done it all, look no further. he's with us. bob hormats is vice president of goldman sachs international. at the state department making the case for american companies overseas. bob, it's good to see you again. >> great to be back on your show. >> let me begin on sort of this front and center issue that we're all talking about and that is sequestration that this mandatory spending cuts that are going to take effect on march 1st, i realize we don't know what's going to happen. but what's the impact if sequestration happens? do you think the economy slows down? >> well, it will
the number of u.s. homes entering the folk process in january fell to a level not seen since the peak of the housing boom. down 11% from december but all is not well, says housing barren sam zell. >> everybody kind of has ignored the fact that there's still 3 to 4 million houses in purgatory. not for sale. not foreclosed. maybe occupied, maybe not occupied. and you've got to address that. >> if you're looking for somebody who has done it all, look no further. he's with us. bob...
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much of the credit goes to u.s. taxpayers and to chrysler workers who accepted wage and benefit cuts. but as steve kroft reported in march 2012, none of it would have happened without the efforts of an italian-born and canadian-raised auto executive named sergio marchionne. >> with his gray stubble, longish hair, relaxed demeanor, and trademark black sweaters, sergio marchionne looks more like a film director than an auto executive, but he is now the industry's biggest star. >> sergio marchionne. >> the ceo of fiat had already rescued that company from financial ruin, and in chrysler, marchionne saw at least one similarity: both companies had been through hell. >> i remember when i came here in 2009. there's nothing worse for a leader than to see fear in people's faces. it's been a long rocky road, but the fear is gone. >> what were they afraid of? >> of not being here. all right, it's that simple. this was really a question of existence. there's nothing worse in life than to sit there and be the victim of a process
much of the credit goes to u.s. taxpayers and to chrysler workers who accepted wage and benefit cuts. but as steve kroft reported in march 2012, none of it would have happened without the efforts of an italian-born and canadian-raised auto executive named sergio marchionne. >> with his gray stubble, longish hair, relaxed demeanor, and trademark black sweaters, sergio marchionne looks more like a film director than an auto executive, but he is now the industry's biggest star. >>...
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angeles police department, the irvine police department, riverside police department, the fbi, the u.s. marshalls service and other allied law enforcement agencies throughout southern california and throughout the region. >> reporter: day five, sunday, dorner remained on the loose. >> everyday that dorner is loose, the likelihood of an attack on either a uniformed police officer or a family of a police officer is likely. >> reporter: southern california remained gripped by fear and uncertainty. a home improvement store was evacuated in l.a. after the mere mention of a dorner sighting. the los angeles police were founding themselves spread too thin between the ongoing manhunt and extra security at the grammy awards. they announced that low priority radio calls might go unanswered. >> it was a tremendous strain on our resources. remember, we had to protect the 50 people that were targeted, protect their families as well. we were on a tactical alert for virtually most of that time. but i said to the chief, and we both agreed, don't spare any expense. >> the mayor turned to the citizens of
angeles police department, the irvine police department, riverside police department, the fbi, the u.s. marshalls service and other allied law enforcement agencies throughout southern california and throughout the region. >> reporter: day five, sunday, dorner remained on the loose. >> everyday that dorner is loose, the likelihood of an attack on either a uniformed police officer or a family of a police officer is likely. >> reporter: southern california remained gripped by...
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." ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. [ male announcer ] that's why there's ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. ocuvite. help protect your eye health. >>> i'm bret baier in washington. the big story here today is president obama's leaked immigration plan. tonight on "special report" the news that the president has his own version of immigration reform legislation came as something of a surprise to the bipartisan group of senators already working on framework of a deal. gasoline prices are up for the 32nd day in a row.
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if we knew where an al-qaeda operative is, american or foreign on u.s. soil wouldn't we just go catch them? >> you would think. but here is brennan's response. he says the authorization to use force in 2001 in afghanistan has no geographical limit. when says that our first question is gosh, he is implying he could do it in america. we sent him a written question. senator widen asked him can you kill americans on american soil. he won't answer answer. the president answered and say is i don't intend to do so. that is weak. i want him to say absolutely heel not kill americans on american soil. we do strikes overseas sometimes not even targeted to an individual. we see a caravan coming out of a place we think people don't like america and we strike a train of vehicles without even knowing who they are with the americans overseas i also do have some objection in the sense that i would try them for free son. al-awhaki would have been kistly convicted. his son was never tried. we killed his 16-year-old son and i don't think that that was appropriate. his son w
if we knew where an al-qaeda operative is, american or foreign on u.s. soil wouldn't we just go catch them? >> you would think. but here is brennan's response. he says the authorization to use force in 2001 in afghanistan has no geographical limit. when says that our first question is gosh, he is implying he could do it in america. we sent him a written question. senator widen asked him can you kill americans on american soil. he won't answer answer. the president answered and say is i...
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central command and general david rodriguez u.s. army to be nominated to be commander of the u.s. afri command. these two combatant commands centcom and africom are the centers of gravity for our military's operations to counter the threat of terrorism. oath nominees have served our country with distinction and i want to thank each of you for your decades of military service and your willingness to serve once again. i understand that general austin 's wife charlene and general rodriguez' wife jen air with us this morning and i want to a knowledge them and thank them for their sacrifices, their support to our nominees throughout the years which is so essential to the success of our nominees and as is the committee's tradition are nominees are invited to introduce any family members or friends who may be with them this morning with their opening remarks. if confirmed general austin will assume command of centcom during it critical transition. not for military operations in afghanistan. in the coming months afghan forces will assume the lead responsibility for providing security thro
central command and general david rodriguez u.s. army to be nominated to be commander of the u.s. afri command. these two combatant commands centcom and africom are the centers of gravity for our military's operations to counter the threat of terrorism. oath nominees have served our country with distinction and i want to thank each of you for your decades of military service and your willingness to serve once again. i understand that general austin 's wife charlene and general rodriguez' wife...
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the u.s. state department was an adjunct of the israeli foreign minister's office, which i think would be breath taking if he said that, had such a view and i got a letter back from senator hagel, in response to my question, did you say that and do you believe that, and, the letter says he did not recall saying that and disavowed that statement. >> chris: is that enough for you? >> well if that is true, that would end the matter because he previously said in a book the jewish lobby intimidates members of congress, particularly the u.s. senate and makes us -- pushes us to make very bad decisions. if the second statement were true, he said, the secretary of state's office is under the control of the israeli foreign ministers, those two together, would edge our view of the israe israeli-u.s. relationship way out. >> chris: democrats say you are playing politics with national security. here's what president obama said. >> president barack obama: it is just unfortunate that this kind of politics in
the u.s. state department was an adjunct of the israeli foreign minister's office, which i think would be breath taking if he said that, had such a view and i got a letter back from senator hagel, in response to my question, did you say that and do you believe that, and, the letter says he did not recall saying that and disavowed that statement. >> chris: is that enough for you? >> well if that is true, that would end the matter because he previously said in a book the jewish lobby...
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the u.s. says our oil reserves are up. the fact is they're saying there's more necessity for gas around the globe, and that causes prices to spike, and here in california, as you hear a bus backing up to my right, people are not too happy whatsoever at all. they drive in and out of the station we're at. 4.99. you can drive around southern california in the car culture and fine a number of stations already above $5 a gallon. and again, we're in the middle of winter. wait until april comes around and the summer driving season starts and the prices spike then. people are worried we might see $6 a gallon here in california. i. >> neil: adam, thank you very much. even before the cold, it would cost you more to fill your car. wait until you see how much more it could be costing you just to heat your home. phil is on the -- with the latest on the chill pill. reporter: in the northeast if you're heating with heating oil, prices are 91-cents a gallon more than a year ago, this is mainly because of the aftermath of hurricane sanity.
the u.s. says our oil reserves are up. the fact is they're saying there's more necessity for gas around the globe, and that causes prices to spike, and here in california, as you hear a bus backing up to my right, people are not too happy whatsoever at all. they drive in and out of the station we're at. 4.99. you can drive around southern california in the car culture and fine a number of stations already above $5 a gallon. and again, we're in the middle of winter. wait until april comes around...
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she's headed on an 80-day tour of ten countries, including the u.s. sanchez says she doesn't plan to temper her criticism of life in cuba just because she got the exit visa. she acknowledges it could be her last trip out of the country. >>> a bigger than normal crowd packed the vatican city today. it's the second to the last time pope benedict xvi will address crowds from that famous window overlooking st. peter's square. over 100,000 people turned out to hear pope benedict ask for prayers for the next pope. ben wedeman is covering the story from rome. >> reporter: a much larger crowd crammed into st. peters square to hear pope benedict give his penultimate angeles prayer. he asked for them to pray for him and the next pope. the pope is now going into a week-long lenten retreat. this is an annual tradition, and part of the lenten season. when he re-emerges, he will convene the last angelis prayer and then step down as the pontiff. it's not clear at this point when the meeting of the conclave, the meeting of 117 cardinals assembled to vote for the next
she's headed on an 80-day tour of ten countries, including the u.s. sanchez says she doesn't plan to temper her criticism of life in cuba just because she got the exit visa. she acknowledges it could be her last trip out of the country. >>> a bigger than normal crowd packed the vatican city today. it's the second to the last time pope benedict xvi will address crowds from that famous window overlooking st. peter's square. over 100,000 people turned out to hear pope benedict ask for...
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a lot of folks here are younger voters or younger people who say, even though the u.s. right now may be as focussed on the debt ceiling and other issues, it is time to look further down the line. >> i am only 16, and some day i hope to have my own kids, and i think that this is -- i want them to live in a world that's, you know, like environmentally safe and natural. >> keystone xl is a dirty and dangerous pipeline to literally cut the country in half carrying a dangerous fuel, and it will cause run away climate change. >> reporter: on the flipside, folks say tighter emission standards have already cost some jobs at coal plants in places like west virginia and tightening them further is only going to squeeze that part of the economy even more, and sol of the higher prices will be passed on to you and me as consumers. they also argue that the keystone pipeline will be safe with the technology today and bring jobs to places like nebraska and also help the u.s. to become more energy independent. don? >>> all right. thank you, chris. the big stories in the week ahead from w
a lot of folks here are younger voters or younger people who say, even though the u.s. right now may be as focussed on the debt ceiling and other issues, it is time to look further down the line. >> i am only 16, and some day i hope to have my own kids, and i think that this is -- i want them to live in a world that's, you know, like environmentally safe and natural. >> keystone xl is a dirty and dangerous pipeline to literally cut the country in half carrying a dangerous fuel, and...
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keep in mind, florida grows 75% of the orange crop in the u.s. and then 40% of the world's orange juice supply. so certainly this is an area that we need to follow. as we go through the rest of the morning, we'll see numbers climb above freezing by 10:00 a.m. we'll continue to follow that. and zoraida, everybody is wearing purple insteexcept john. >> typically he wears purple. but today he did not. >> i'm sorry i screwed up everyone's plans. i'll try to do better. >>> the country music world in mourning that troubled singer mindy mccready committed suicide. she was found dead in her arkansas home with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. last month, the father of her 10-month-old son died afternoon apparent suicide. she talked about that painful, awful experience weeks ago in her last interview with nbc. >> i have never gone through anything this painful. nor will i ever again. >> michelle turning following developments from los angeles. good morning, michelle. >> good morning, john. a really tragic end to a troubled life. mindy mccready was seeking h
keep in mind, florida grows 75% of the orange crop in the u.s. and then 40% of the world's orange juice supply. so certainly this is an area that we need to follow. as we go through the rest of the morning, we'll see numbers climb above freezing by 10:00 a.m. we'll continue to follow that. and zoraida, everybody is wearing purple insteexcept john. >> typically he wears purple. but today he did not. >> i'm sorry i screwed up everyone's plans. i'll try to do better. >>> the...
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after eight years, people who learn english and u.s. history and pay a fine could qualify for legal permanent status. later, citizenship. the plan calls for more money toward border security and requires businesses to check the immigration status of potential workers. republican senator marco rubio, who's involved in the senate discussion, says the white house legislation is, quote, half baked and seriously flawed, calling the plan dead on arrival. here with us now from washington, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political the daily rundown, chuck todd. is the plan doa? >> well, you heard it's an incomplete plan. we know they had come up with a plan. they were going to unveil a plan. they were going to do that in las vegas about two weeks ago. about 48 hours before that speech, the bipartisan senate group came out with their set of principles and the white house backed off. the president decided not to unveil his plan. it's always been sort of held out there as a if you guys fail, then we'll unveil ours and we'll push this.
after eight years, people who learn english and u.s. history and pay a fine could qualify for legal permanent status. later, citizenship. the plan calls for more money toward border security and requires businesses to check the immigration status of potential workers. republican senator marco rubio, who's involved in the senate discussion, says the white house legislation is, quote, half baked and seriously flawed, calling the plan dead on arrival. here with us now from washington, nbc news...
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as i mentioned, u.s. national average, 3.73. in hawaii, california, higher still, the most expensive place to buy gas right now. 4.28. california not far behind. the cheapest place to buy gas, in wyoming, 3.17. as you mentioned, americans right now spending a lot more money on heating bills, that, of course, means they don't have much money to spare in terms of gas prices, also, we've got taxes going up for a lot of americans. a lot of people seeing paychecks shrink. some taxi drivers, saying they are spending upward of 40, $50, $60 per day. it really is having a huge effect on people. >> what a big mess. thanks, zain appreciate that. >>> jennifer delgado in the weather center this morning with a freeze warning that could spell some serious trouble for florida citrus crops. good morning. >> hi, soledad. the sunshine state needs the sun to come out. temperatures right now still in the mid 20s. we have a hard freeze warning in place anywhere in blue. of course, this is affecting northern and central parts of florida. temperatures
as i mentioned, u.s. national average, 3.73. in hawaii, california, higher still, the most expensive place to buy gas right now. 4.28. california not far behind. the cheapest place to buy gas, in wyoming, 3.17. as you mentioned, americans right now spending a lot more money on heating bills, that, of course, means they don't have much money to spare in terms of gas prices, also, we've got taxes going up for a lot of americans. a lot of people seeing paychecks shrink. some taxi drivers, saying...
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not including the u.s. agreed to begin random dna checks on meat products. >> meteorite hunters are rushing to a town in central russia hoping to find fragments of space rock on friday. >> scientists say tests confirmed 53 small rocks found near a lake are pieces of the meteor. a crater in the ice opened up after friday's explosion. russia's leading classified web site has been busy with sellers claiming to have meteorite fragments. clean up from damage caused by the blast continues. a sonic boom shattered glass from windows for many miles. >> as i learned after this, it's a meteor up there. if it crashes, it's a meet i don't remember item meteorite. >> they were sending divers down into the lake. >> they cut out a piece of the ice. >> kind of weird stuff. science fiction comes to life. >> pretty rare. around here, cold. cold enough it feels like we're in central russia. temperature inside the teens and 20s to start your day. warm it up to 40 later. going to feel pretty good. it will be fine. >> you also li
not including the u.s. agreed to begin random dna checks on meat products. >> meteorite hunters are rushing to a town in central russia hoping to find fragments of space rock on friday. >> scientists say tests confirmed 53 small rocks found near a lake are pieces of the meteor. a crater in the ice opened up after friday's explosion. russia's leading classified web site has been busy with sellers claiming to have meteorite fragments. clean up from damage caused by the blast...
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tell me, the u.s. government does have a rocket somewhere pointing up that can shoot one of these things out of the sky. >> well, the plan would be to -- if we went ahead with this, would be to build a spacecraft to go up into space and knock the thing off course, just slightly, many years before it was near the earth. >> steve: hurry. just in case. all right. paul, research scientist near earth object program at nasa in l.a., paul, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> anna: 7:56. how well do you know your presidents? bet you don't know which one was also a bartender. we're about to put you to the test at the top of the hour. >> steve: then a guaranteed good night's sleep like a spa experience in your bedroom for under 15 bucks. you're not going to want to miss it while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in m
tell me, the u.s. government does have a rocket somewhere pointing up that can shoot one of these things out of the sky. >> well, the plan would be to -- if we went ahead with this, would be to build a spacecraft to go up into space and knock the thing off course, just slightly, many years before it was near the earth. >> steve: hurry. just in case. all right. paul, research scientist near earth object program at nasa in l.a., paul, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>...
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the u.s., the uk and russia. while pistorius is in court on tuesday for a bail hearing, reeva's family says they'll be a memorial service for her as producers of her reality show released this farewell message from her, meant to be to the cast, but which now becomes her last words, her last good-bye. >> i take with me so many amazing memories and things that are in here and in here that i'll treasure forever. i'm going to miss you all so much. i love you very, very much. >> what a sad story that is. robyn kurnow reporting for us. we'll have more on that later here in "the situation room" as well. other news we're following including some painful budget cuts that will be felt by all of us. they're not only days away, they could affect you in some unexpected ways. plus, senator john mccain is alleging a massive cover-up on the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. >> so it's the state department's fault? who would you blame? who is responsible then? i've always had to keep my e
the u.s., the uk and russia. while pistorius is in court on tuesday for a bail hearing, reeva's family says they'll be a memorial service for her as producers of her reality show released this farewell message from her, meant to be to the cast, but which now becomes her last words, her last good-bye. >> i take with me so many amazing memories and things that are in here and in here that i'll treasure forever. i'm going to miss you all so much. i love you very, very much. >> what a...
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but demand is expected to increase not just here in the u.s., but globally because of a better outlook for the global economy. the price of oil has been modestly higher since the beginning of the year. you don't need me to tell you that. the good news is it has been relatively stable since the summer, carol. you haven't seen the real crazy spikes that we've seen over the years. carol? >> alison kosik reporting live from new york this morning. move over, guys. danica patrick in the top spot. patrick won the pole position for the daytona 500, becoming the first woman to win a pole at any nascar top division race. she later spoke with cnn's don lemon, who asked her, if she could comprehend that she made history. >> i that i that understanding the scope of what that means and what that will end up meaning, or if any, is something that happens down the road. in the moment, it's about thinking about what i need to do for next sunday and trying to make some more history. i love that to go beyond racing in general, i mean, just to kind of break gender barriers, i feel that one of the coolest t
but demand is expected to increase not just here in the u.s., but globally because of a better outlook for the global economy. the price of oil has been modestly higher since the beginning of the year. you don't need me to tell you that. the good news is it has been relatively stable since the summer, carol. you haven't seen the real crazy spikes that we've seen over the years. carol? >> alison kosik reporting live from new york this morning. move over, guys. danica patrick in the top...